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The Pagan Moose was old and rooted deep but couldn't do much against the force of the Christian Stag of the West
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Zel-Holt Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Question: Why does the Moose look so evil when if you look up real Paganism, they are more worshipers of nature and natural things so the Moose should have more beauty to it. I can obviously tell you're Christian because you avoid answering or replying to Pagan comments on this image, I read them all before I commented so I'm pretty sure you're not going to reply to this one even if it is a lengthy comment. I have to admit your style is good but the representation is too one sided and stereotyped. And yes I am Pagan, and proud to be.
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muura Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Professional General Artist
Laffo, you're kind of reading this all wrong. (And are acting  unnecessarily condescending?) I'm an atheist and I drew this inspired by the christian swedes taking over the pagan Finland..  which I feel critical about, because while christianity might have good intentions, it still destroys culture and mythology while it conquering the religions of other countries. Finland still has most of its holidays in pagan roots, but has still forgotten most of it's holidays and celebrations and traditions, which makes me really intensely sad.

Also, the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I much prefer the moose, because it is huge, animalistic, intimidating, full spirituality that stems from the bogs and misty rooks of finnish forests. I associate christianity with clean tradinitional plastic beauty, with golden decorations and traditionally beautiful features, which is completely against something that I find beautiful. That's what I was trying to say with this image. 

I didn't reply to the pagan comments because I agree with them. I didn't have anything to add other than, "yay." 
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Zel-Holt Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I apologize for seeming condescending, I've recently been going through some battles which most would say I threw myself into with christians over the truth about their religion which they refuse to see or at the very least research from non-christian historical writings. I thank you for elaborating more on my concerns that I didn't know about from the image above. I would like to kindly ask that you possibly put this information in the description so others who may be like me don't get the wrong idea and you don't have to deal with the ranting and raving. ^_^'

I'm now just wondering why you didn't reply with that to the others to let them know that you think that of them?
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muura Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Professional General Artist
That sounds pretty douchey to me. You could just have your religion in peace and let others have theirs. It's a very personal issue to people and you're not really contributing anything beneficial to anyone by attacking them for their personal choices. 

Everyone else in the comments got the right idea ie. that I am critisizing christianity, so I think this is an issue of reading comprehension and willingness to see negativity towards yourself on your part.
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CKnightsofni Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I wouldn't associate Christianity with the stag, personally. I would associate it with the Kraken or some sort of cephalopod with many tentacles strangling the life out of the old pagan deities. A moose could beat a stag any day. Not a monster though....
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Greipur Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2011
A very evocative image! I ponder on the expansion of Christianity in the northern realm sometimes. I find it despicable to convert people with force, I've heard many stories of when the Vikings were christened. I believe Christianity have in many cases got rid of their dark heritage of dominance and murder and I know many Christians who're a likeable sort. But I can't stop feeling that the old ones really trampled over beautiful things. True, they assimilated some of it.

What bugs me is that the victor always writes history. I remember as a kid me and my classmates were invited to a church were we had a small LARP about the prosecution of the Christians in the Roman empire. We were Christians who had to hide from the Roman guards. And true, that was a horrible event in history. But I think they should mention their dark side too, acknowledge that they have both been a victim and an offender.
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muura Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2011  Professional General Artist
Ooh, thank you for writing such a lenghty comment.. interesting indeed.
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FelixMarques Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2011
This is awesome, in meaning and execution, and I love the aureola-horns of the “Christian Stag”, though I probably feel more fondness towards the Pagan Moose.

If there's one thing I don't quite like, it's how evident the brush marks are in the bottom, and if you happen to look at the background, it's very simple and it's not even clear what it is. I'd fix that.

But kudos, keep working and getting better. : D
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muura Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2011  Professional General Artist
Haha yes I got bored with the background after getting the cervidaes done, and I just wanted to get everything else over with.. because I'm impatient and just want to get my ideas done c_c haha something I should totally work on. Thank you for the critique!
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Kiwicked Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2011  Student General Artist
This is just beautiful. I love the concept and how there's something subtle but very sad about it. <3

The colors also give it this mystical vibe that creates a really nice mood... I just love it! XD
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muura Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2011  Professional General Artist
Oh thank you, what a beautiful comment <3 thank you!
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Kiwicked Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2011  Student General Artist
You're welcome! :D
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Totem-pole Featured By Owner May 1, 2011
But no matter how hard the Stag may try, the Moose will never die. One day, the Stag will tire and fall, then the Moose will retake what was his to begin with.

Really getting sick of Christians bashing on Pagans.
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CircleLady Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2012  Student General Artist
Thank you! That is exactly my opinion on the subject. I thought Love was supposed to be a part of Christianity.
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May0-arT Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011
amazing. you're a great artist <3 !
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muura Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011  Professional General Artist
oh thank you ;3;
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May0-arT Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011
oow you're welcome >u< but it's what I think ! <3
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HaruYokai Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011
Tämähän on aivan helvetin hieno. Aika hyvin kuvaa näitä ristiretkiä - Pakanat lakoon uuden hyvän ( no helvetti hyvän ja hyvän) uskon voimalla.
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muura Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
Kiitos kovin!
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northocean Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2011
beautiful!!
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Kowa025 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2010
I love the way this pic has very deep meaning, which you can't see if you don't search it deeper. I simply adore the designs of the creatures, and how they bear resemblance to the paganism and Christianity.
En tiedä osasinko kirjoittaa mitään järkevää mutta kuitenkin, mielestäni tämä kuva on jotain todella upeaa. :) ~
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muura Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2010  Professional General Artist
Oon niin otettu! Kiitos kaunis. ;w;
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starbookblue Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010
This is an awesome piece. Firstly, I've never seen this kind of naturalistic metaphor for the battle for religious dominance, and it's an interesting way to look at the subject. The Moose and the Stag are drawn not only beautifully, but fully carrying through the weight of the concepts they represent. That the shapes of those two animals are mercurial and the background gauzy only adds to the dream-like quality of the piece. Overall, it feels like I'm watching a religious vision. Very nice work.

(Sorry my comment is so lengthy and yammertastic.)
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muura Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2010  Professional General Artist
Oh wow thank youuuuuu. I'm so pleased, don't worry at all haha I love lenghty and yammertastic comments ;;
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kabomaru Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
such a scary moose : D
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laika-sky Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
What interesting symbolism. I really like this! :+fav:
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Fahn777 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
Deer have always had profound spiritual significany cultures... Christianity is no exception. I love this pic!!
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KreepingSpawn Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
heheh. so glad i'm not the only one to draw parallels between Jesus and Cernunnos. ;}
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Galactic-Bifrost Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
Awesome, I love it.
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tredar Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010
Definitely something special, woa
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snartha Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2010
Cool concept!
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theSARUTO Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2010   Traditional Artist
Todellakin woah. Upiata ei täs muuta oikein osaa todeta (ainakaan täs kiirees pahoittelen 8'') )
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NadeRegen Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
oh my god.
seems you found your way with digital colors here. fffff
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lightningbug Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2010
this is such a neat description for the picture. love the concept
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kamiOwoneko Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2010
thats so sad
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MehgoMeh Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
love this so much
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Ulreika Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2010
I love this so much. TOO much. <3
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Biigurutwin Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2010
These designs are absolutely amazing! And so is the lighting!
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punkerfairie Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2010  Professional
This is gorgeous! I love the antlers.
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Prilblume Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2010  Student Traditional Artist
amazing o_o
youre really one of the reasons i am still at devart.
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muura Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2010  Professional General Artist
;-; !! ahh
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caitsy Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2010  Hobbyist
Woooaaahhhh.
This is incredible! The motion you've captured in the moose is amazing.
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ilikehats Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010
oh. oh wow
this is making me... feel some feelings.
gosh...
On an objective note, I'm not sure what's meant to be happening with the background?
Even so I love this so so much, the movement is amazinnggg
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muura Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2010  Professional General Artist
I did not really think about it lmao probably some trees? I tried to concentrate more on the figures and make some of the bits darker in the back so that they'd show up a bit better but agh yeah it is pretty messsssytastic

uauau thank you
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Sparklelord Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010
Oh man super gorgeous.
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kachicache Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010  Student General Artist
Hahaha! amazing as usual!
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Muffin-is-Liz Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love it
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sneaksby Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010
Oh man, I love the atmosphere in this! The deer's halo is great, too.
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TyphoonCutter Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010
Looks like an oil painting. heh.

Nice work, chum! The Pagan Stag in particular is gorgeous. :)
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Psshaw Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Oh damn this is so cool. I love the moose, the blurry... liquid coloring is very effective and otherwordly on it. I'm not sure how I feel about its effects on the deer, though.

A GREAT DRAWING.
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